we play in the recording of that for the jury in the death penalty sentencing hearing in virginia. that is a flexibly applied use of the clause. some justices and some courts across the country do not hold that view. in my view, that type of evidence is necessary if we are going to try some of these run- of-the-mill terrorism cases in the article 3 courts. having lived and sweated through the moussaoui case is that it was worth it. it was worth it on a number of fronts. it was worth it because the system work. i think the judge will touch on this. even moussaoui himself admitted that the system work. he spoke publicly. we got a view of how he reveled in misery and horror created in america. we got a view of what motivated this person and what we were up against. it also provided a venue for some catharsis for victims to come in and testify. above all, we showed that we could do it. that is my final point. thank you very much. [applause] >> thank you. i have never been to the training camp in pakistan. i do not want to have anybody leave that one hanging out there. rob and i went th